Posted by: jeffmooney | August 16, 2007

Why I Like MMA Fighting

Before you role your eyes and go somewhere else, hear me out.

For those not familiar with MMA fighting (MMA = Mixed Martial Arts), it is the latest rage in pop culture athletic endeavors. It is best represented by the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Champion), run by a seemingly brilliant entrepreneur named Dana White (Read here for the article done on White by Entrepreneur.com) . There are also other “leagues,” that compete for viewers with UFC, such as the IFL, WEC, Pride, and KOTC (International Fight League, World Extreme Cagefighting, and King of the Cage respectively). MMA fighting has a well deserved reputation. Though its adherents claim that it is safer than boxing due to the various options an MMA fighter has (grappling, , kicking, tapping out, etc.) that a boxer does not, they will also candidly note that the sport is considerably bloodier than boxing. The logic of the sport is that you combine several different martial arts (most prominent seem to be Gracie Jiu Jitsu and Thai kickboxing) in a format similar to American boxing, which is now considered by the proprietors of this new sport as “old school.”

Like boxing, there are unpleasant aspects to the sport for the Christian to avoid. Also, like boxing, there are aspects that should be observed by the Christian as a unique demonstration of the Christian life. Specifically, I like MMA fighting because it draws to the foreground the reality of intense competition. Like life, a loss may result in more than just a consolation prize. This reality seemed to disappear with the advent of the “it doesn’t matter if you win or lose but how you play the game” ethic and extends to this day, where playing cards is considered a sport (at least enough of a sport to appear on ESPN). Truth be told, it DOES matter if you win or lose. The followers of the above stated ethic are well intended I am sure. They are not interested in their kids becoming cheaters in a “winning only matters” world. I get it. However, that ethic says much more than that. It actually says that it “doesn’t matter” who wins. There is nothing biblical about this idea. Biblical writers speak to this matter on more than one occasion.

In a discussion concerning Paul’s passion to win all types of people to Christ, he comments as follows.

1 Cor. 9:24-27 (ESV)
Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. [25] Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. [26] So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. [27] But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

I am not trying to suggest here that the apostle would be ringside in Vegas for the Liddell/Jackson fight. I am simply saying that the pursuit of the Christian life is a pursuit that one runs and fights to win. Paul is not suggesting winning at all costs, such as breaking the rules. However, he is saying that to run or fight without the goal of winning seems to be equally as fruitless as winning in an ill-gotten manner.

The author of the book of Hebrews seems to assume a similar line of thought.

Hebrews 12:1-2 (ESV)
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, [2] looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Even more to my point is the idea of intentionally shedding every “weight and sin” that would hinder us from running with endurance and running the “race set before us.” This writer intends his readers to intentionally run with endurance and finish their race as winners. His example is clear enough. Christ endures the wrath of God and rejection of those to whom he came for “the joy set before Him.” Christ “despises” (treats as trite and trivial) the shame of the cross for the reward of his efforts, namely his own glory and the glory of the Father in the redemption of sinners. This fight was a blood-earnest, death-grappling, sin-killing serious one and is the example used by the author for his readers (including us) to follow.

It does matter how you play the game. However, it also matters who wins! It matters if one loses! While one can learn this in any sport, the realistic, body-damaging, blood-letting, coma-likely sport of MMA fighting brings home the genuine nature of winning and losing perhaps in a way closer to the biblical writers’ view than anything else. It serves as a good corrective for the sterile ethic of “it doesn’t matter.”

Responses

I agree with your comparison between MMA fighting and the Christian life. It is a great visual paradigm for Christians in understanding the reality of “the fight” of faith. It helps us recognize that believing is engaging. It is fighting hard. It is fighting for survival. Nominal Christianity does not survive in this fight. Neither does a Christian who’s focus is not on the task at hand, namely, looking to Christ Jesus as the ultimate prize. For this, am grateful for the raw example that MMA shows us in our Christian life.

On the other hand, I simply percieve MMA as barbaric. I understand that it is a sport, and thus, there is strategy and a high level of skill involved (amongst other things). I just have a difficult time enjoying such behaviour that I relate as contrary to what it means to be Christian. For example, most of the people I know that watch this, only watch it to see two people try and kill each other. The more bloody and violent, the better (much like the gladiators of the Roman coliseum). Than again, these are just my thoughts.

What do you think?

I really like the comparision. I think the ethic presented in Scripture is very serious and very exacting in how it teaches us to run the race. In the above mentioned verse Paul says “I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” This is very serious. Being disqualified, it would seem, is not losing his ministry as many tend to make it. He is talking about the Christian life itself! This should lead us to pray for a greater earnestness to run, and strive, and discipline ourselves for our joy and Gods glory.

Great thoughts TC. Your perception of the barbarism that goes along with MMA is accurate. Note that I never said that the sport was “Christian.” I only observed that the ethic and pursuit involved with the sport was a great analogy for the Christian life. I always enjoy hearing from you.

Mooney

Brother “Jess,” Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons are known for their “fight to win” devotion, discipline, focus and perseverance. All are biblical notions, but we would not call them “demonstrations of the Christian life.” IMHO, such admirable characteristics are only Christian if done in and for Christ. Otherwise, they can be quite damning.

How do you beat a guy up to the point of unconsciousness or unbearable pain in Christ and to the glory of God? I believe THIS is the real discussion we should be having in reference to whether MMA (or boxing) is commendable.

Like boxing, I bet most men have a visceral enjoyment for MMA and the hard core competition involved. I do. I can probably think of many things I like that really are not biblically commendable, however. There are certain enjoyments in my life that bother me that I enjoy them. It’s the constant battle with sin, I think.

While we are looking at MMA for what it can demonstrate about fighting to win in the Christian life, we should also discuss the nature of the sport itself.

How is it a God-glorifying thing to find enjoyment in a man viciously attempting to harm another man created in the image of God? MMA, like boxing, is a far cry from other competitive sports that may be physical but not purposefully attempting to put a man out, break a joint,etc.

If we would be consistent, perhaps we should be in favor of MMA shedding the rules and fighting to the death. That would be the pinnacle expression to your base line of why you (and I) like MMA. Bring back the Roman arena!

How can it be deplorable to bless God with our lips while beating a man (created in the image of God) down with our speech, but commendable to bless God with our lives and beat down another man (created in the image of God) with our fists (James 2:9)?

So far, in my attempts to biblically think through this culturally popular trend, I am finding it difficult to commend something that I may enjoy, like MMA. Not everything that my flesh likes should be commendable - sometimes it should be avoided. Not everything that has some commendable attributes should be advocated. Take Dispensationalism for example. . . No, let’s don’t do that in this post.

Thanks for the conversation. I’m open to being convinced otherwise and will be personally offended if you show up to San Jacinto again for a King of the Cage match and don’t buy me a ticket and attempt to covert me to your way of thinking.

The one Dispensationalist you do like.

Bret

Bret,

First, I assure you that I will have a ticket for you for the next round of fights I attend. Second, there are at least four Dispensationalists that I can think of off the top of my head that I like (for example, the John Montgomery is an excellent guy . . . can’t really see him at a cage fight though). Third, and to the point, you are right in asserting that all that might be demonstrative is not commendable. However, I think that it is interesting that Paul, in his use of the fighting metaphor, never qualifies the fighting of his day at all. He never states that he agrees or disagrees with it. He never articulates whether or not the thing is commendable or not. He simply sees in it an adequate expression of the Christian pursuit.

I think that was all that I was doing. I will readily admit to enjoying the fight (provided that it is one of a technical nature rather than resembling two drunks in a parking lot). I will admit that the nature of the sport is categorically different than other sports. However, I think that discussion is a somewhat different discussion than my initial post.

In the initial post I simply want to state that the “it doesn’t matter whether you win or lose” ethic is corrected by a sport like MMA, where it is imperative that you win. It is a more biblical paradigm to think of life in terms of blood, spit, and sweat rather than the unhealthily relaxed aforementioned ethic.

Concerning the nature of the sport itself, I would mildly challenge your comments. How far do we take the “damaging” nature of sports to be the reason we (Christians) don’t participate in them? Many moms would rather “junior” not play football. However, most men would demure from keeping their kids from playing. The fact of the matter is that people have been paralyzed in football, not MMA. The drama that ensues from intense rivalry and lack of sportsmanship (your beloved Cowboys and the Redskins, for instance) is not present in MMA. It is characterized by determined talk (trash talk). However, there is a clear perception of sportsmanship and respect carried over from martial arts, in which respect is integral.

I am not attempting to “clean up” MMA. That would be impossible. It is what it is. I would like to begin thinking about the sport though in a balanced manner. Furthermore, I believe that we can engage the sport in a productive manner, like we have football. You have raised the realistic questions of “how” and “if.”

I pray that all that we would do would set the divine warrior on display for all that He is. Thanks for raising the matter. I look forward to your response. Its always good hearing from you.

Mooney

What a fascinating topic. I think the metaphor utilized by Dr. Mooney here is very profound, even though Paul thought of it first. The serendipitous “everyone is a winner” ethic has diluted our understanding of competition. Understanding MMA to be a visual representation of the war we wage daily against sin is redeeming. The competition was not designed for this purpose, but through a Christian worldview it has caused us to “set [our] minds on things above.” This upward mindset, I believe, is God glorifying. MMA, then, has been used as a means to bring God glory. This exercise ought to be the regular practice of believers. When we watch movies, we ought to redeem the time by thinking on how this movie relates to an element in Christian life. What does the movie say about God? What message is being communicated through this film and how should a Christian respond? “Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.” 1 Cor. 10:31 I do believe that MMA can and has been redeemed in this way: to cause believers to be reminded that life is war. We cannot stop fighting. In the words of John Owen, “Be killing sin or it will be killing you.”
Aside, I would really like to hear what people think about Bret’s observation that we are made in the image of God. Should we condone the intentional mauling of persons made in His image? I would love to hear what others think about that.

(I must qualify that I don’t believe ALL things can be redeemed. Sorry, there is no way to redeem watching certain movies or TV shows. Many of them are immoral past the point of having any redeeming quality.)

I think it would be a MOST enjoyable time to see Montgomery and myself at Saboba ringside to a cage. Only thing better would be to have the President chomping pop-corn with us. Oh the conversations that would circulate!

Anyhoo, I realize I introduced a different take than the point of your post. I simply don’t hear Christian supporters of MMA discussing the relation of the sport to the imago dei. I’m not for wimp a.. Christianity (to put it in a Discollian manner). I’m just not convinced that participting in and supporting MMA is a good antidote to it. Is the aim of Christianity for us to make our enemies tap out? Romans 12:14-21 suggests not.

Agreed. We are in a battle, perhaps even to the death. Winning is the goal - meaning finishing life still in the faith and not being disqualified from the faith. Interesting that when Paul referred to fighting (1 Cor 9:23-27), he did not say he “liked it” either. It is what it is - an illustration. I wonder if Paul attended the arena to bolster his resolve to fight sin and sinners? Perhaps. Do you believe this is the resolve most Christians gain by watching or participating in MMA? I have not really noticed that to be true - but I can’t really say I attend many events with my Christian buddies.

Also, it’s not the “damaging” element that concerns me most in MMA - any sport can be damaging. It is the intention behind the sport. I can’t yet reconcile its purpose with how I am to treat others as the image of God. Football, or even collegiate wrestling for that matter, has a very different intention than MMA. MMA has not been around long enough to compare with the damage we’ve seen to football players or boxers.

However, if the mindset were the same at a football game as at an MMA event, we would probably see many men paralyzed, crippled, perhaps killed and the sport made illegal.

Regarding the ungodly rivalry in football - you will notice that more than one Cowboy will go up and hug a Redskin (or worse a 49er) after the game. Not much different than the end of an MMA fight. I’ve heard the banter before a fight too, not much different than a Cowboy/Redskin rivalry - just more intentionally violent.

Interestingly, the first fights I saw were back in the mid ’90s. My brother-in-law gave me a video tape. Ultimate Fighting was FAR different then than today. Why? Little regulation and an almost any thing goes approach. MUCH more bloody and debilitating than what we see today. Perhaps they felt it was setting a bad example - or too much damage to the imago dei.

At some point and in some way we need to be able to stress our resolve to be courageous men (1 Cor 16:13) without also advocating what may in fact be a real dishonor to God and those He has made in His image. Just a few thoughts. Thanks for the opportunity.

Bret

I can’t add much to the conversation. Still, I enter it because it is such a valuable one in a culture in which cheerleading is as legitimate as infantry. Thank you, Jeff, for the shocking comparison of the Christian life with “K-Tel’s Ginsu fighting” (or whatever you call it). Christians seem nowadays to be quick to denounce both violence and victory. The real world is not so forgiving. It is true, of course, that in Christ mercy and love have joined perfectly, but it is equally true that when Christ returns, he will be mounted upon a white stallion from which he will judge and wage war! Remembering the blood-earnestness of the battle can only be healthy for all Christians.

Of course, the analogy breaks down (as they always do). One can fight to the finish, fight the fight honorably, win the fight, and yet be wholly offensive to God. One need look no further than the Circus or the Arena of Rome to see such examples. Winning does not make the pursuit a holy one (but, of course, no one here has said that it would). The point is that godliness—which has love for God and love for others at root—must abide throughout the Christian fight.

Which brings me to another point slightly off topic: Most Christian leaders from Tertullian to Augustine abhorred the violence of the Arena. They would not attend the games nor permit their parishioners to do so. Surprisingly, the reason the games were forbidden is not especially because of the violence; rather, they were forbidden out of loving concern for the parishioners. Christian leaders discouraged attending the games because of the effects on those viewing the violence; it made them bloodthirsty and, as has been pointed out, willing to enjoy watching someone, literally, beat the imago dei out of his opponent. The games inspired cruelty in those who watched. I don’t know how they might respond either to football or MMA boxing.

Bret,

Thanks for responding.

As for my original point, you made it as clearly as I could have. “It is what it is.” The initial comparison was simply that of an analogy to the Christian life. I would like to comment on a couple of things you mentioned.

As for the acceptability of the sport, I am not sure that I ever said that I would even encourage my parishioners to attend or watch the sport. I would expect that it would depend upon the individual.

As for the “intention” or “mindset” of the sport, I am not sure that you understand it. I think the mindset and intention of any “combat” related sport (boxing, wrestling [Greco-Roman not Montgomery's WWF guys], Tae Kwon Do,etc.) is to physically dominate their opponent. I don’t know that MMA participants are any different. Furthermore, football players have certainly spoken to the “intention” you have assigned to MMA athletes. Lyle Alzado used to roar about crippling his opponent. I am not sure that that was metaphorical for him. I would also set forth “Raider Nation.” Enough said.

Lastly, to your question, “is it the goal of Christianity to make our enemies tap out?”. I would ask which enemy are we talking about? If you are referencing people, I would say that the unsaved MMA fighters that I know don’t have that ethic in their relationships. Certainly I would not suggest that this would be acceptable. Nor do the passages that I cited. The enemy in those passages as well as in my mind are the natural enemies to our Lord and the pursuit of holiness (the world, the flesh, and the devil) all of which scripture admonishes us to hate (I could support with passages if need be. However, I know that you know these things as well as me).

Always great to hear from you Bret.

Mooney

Greg,

Thanks for your response. Your observations are, as always, to the point.

I would actually question the accuracy of your statement concerning the fathers (not their disposition toward the arena, your are exactly right about that, but their disposition toward MMA). In light of the activity of the arena, I am not sure that those guys would see a combat sport where the two combatants hugged one another at the end of the fight as too threatening.

Always great to hear from you brother.

Mooney

Jeff, thanks for you kind challenges to my ignorance. I genuinely appreciate your indulging me.

I prolly do misunderstand the intent of the “sport.” So, I watched two fights yesterday via Joost and the Fight Network (free internet TV). From listening to the men before the fight, and then watching them beat the blood out of each other, I’ll stand by my original thought that the intention of MMA is vastly different than even any other “combat” type of sport (notwithstanding Alzado’s bravado). It really did not add anything of benefit to my desires to whip sin and bloody the devil for the glory of Christ. I’ll admit to enjoying the strategy and physicality that produced all the the blood and gore, but then again, I’m not sure that wasn’t the sinful side of my humanity that, honestly, I should have been fighting against. I enjoyed it, but wasn’t sure it was really edifying. Maybe I just need to keep watching and I’ll see it one day.

You mentioned, “As for the acceptability of the sport, I am not sure that I ever said that I would even encourage my parishioners to attend or watch the sport. I would expect that it would depend upon the individual.”

Does that mean you won’t be coming to San Jacinto with a group from your church to watch the fights at the casino again?

I would like to hear your take on whether it is a God-glorifying thing to beat the imago dei out of some one.

Thanks for your patient indulgence of me.

Bret

Greg, I too look forward to the day when Jesus returns to bloody His enemies way more than what George St. Pierre does to his. But then again, that is my premill, futuristic interpretation of Rev 17-19. Some of my more “gotee’d” amil brethren seem to think we are in such warrior days now. Perhaps that is why they appreciate MMA more than me. ;)

Dr. Mooney, I think you might have something here. The MMA blog has received double the comments than any other blog so far. I think this is something that can definitely be used to reach the men in So. Cal. Only by using it in a way that you have with this blog.
Excellent!

Bret,

I truly enjoy hearing from you (your lack of facial hair and decent eschatology notwithstanding). Thanks again for prodding me toward a more biblical mindset. While I agree with most of what you say, I might should return to my original point one last time.

I am not sure that I ever stated that watching MMA would energize you or not toward fighting sin. I simply said that it provided an excellent “biblical” portrait of an ethic that could be a corrective for the truly unbiblical “it doesn’t matter ethic.”

I also stated that there were elements of the sport that were to be avoided. I am not sure that I will quit watching the sport myself and I will make good on my promise to get you to ringside.

Concerning your point about “beating the imago” out of someone, I will be glad to engage that with you. I will start by saying that it is impossible to do. Perhaps that will get us started.

Thanks again brother,

Mooney

Hey Jeff, I just ran across your blog. I really like your writing and how you approach many of these topics. I just wanted to say hey. (so you can remember who I am…I brought Bora to you from the airport)

Take care.

Thanks Rob. It is great to hear from you. Too bad that Bora can’t blog with us.

Mooney

Hey Jeff, this post is a good read. I actually train with a bunch of other Christian guys in MMA. We are ‘Warriors For Christ’ and we compete in local Brazilian Jiu Jitsu tournaments. Our coach is actually training out at Couture’s gym in Vegas right now, we’re all stoked about that! I have learned so much about my relationship with God while training with these guys. I can’t think of any other place I can go 3 days a week to pray, push my body to the limit, and throw my friends around at the same time!
Thank God for educated men such as yourself for being able to communicate the parallels they see between humanity’s relationship with God and a sport such as MMA! God bless!

Mike Risinger

Bear,

Thanks for the post. I truly hope that your training is going well. Give my best to you coach.

I pray that everyday you will rise knowing you have been given life and righteousness that are not natural to you. I pray for you and the other good brothers with you that you will fight sin with an even greater resolve than you do your opponents. I pray that mercy would compel you to press forward to the high calling in Christ which you have been given so graciously by God.

Bless you brother.

For His Glory - For Our Joy - For Their Peace

Mooney

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